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Lisa Iannucci's avatar

I posted this yesterday in the comments after the discussion w Stuart S., repeating it here. I think the "Dems caved" meme oversimplifies what was in reality a complex series of events. Lawrence O'Donnell laid it out pretty well in his A block last night. And as Simon points out, Sen. Baldwin forced them to vote down the ACA extension and Sen. Kaine got them on record re tariffs. And now they have to expose the Epstein horror show.

Whatever got "agreed to" is not final yet, and even if/when Senate passes it, House has to vote on it, and they are 100% not going to go for it. So as Simon says above, stay tuned. We still have the filibuster, that's huge. And we now have Grijalva sworn in, and her constituents have representation at last.

Take the wins when you get them. Yes, we are not happy about how things went down on Sunday night, but sometimes you take the lesser of 2 evils. Normally that's the president's job to make those decisions, but since we don't really have one, the Senate Dems - most of whom are still in strong opposition - are making it for all of us, and the moderates fell on the proverbial sword of caving in a situation they were most likely not going to come out on top of.

This is all just my opinion, and I respect those who disagree, and who are frustrated/"done" w Dems. This is a big tent and still a free country, and we come into this space to share ideas and bat them around.

I really enjoy Dr. Ben-Ghiat's weekly discussions for the same reasons - we toss ideas around and think about them. Often there are not "good" answers, only a bunch of bad alternatives.

Keep going!

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Stu Weiss's avatar

Leaving the debate over “caving” behind….I’m headed out for a Veterans Day protest on a bike overpass over Highway 101 in Palo Alto. Over the two hours, there will be >10,000 vehicles going by in both directions.

Also, I was the naturalist on a hike organized by Bay Nature magazine, and one of the hikers asked me if I was the Stu Weiss who posts on Hopium! We had a great discussion about how this forum is a way to inject our thinking into the political sphere since Simon is so well connected with the Democratic establishment who read “us.” Among many other topics among the oaks and pines and nature lovers…….

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